What's happening with the 1.2.16 version? And when will it be deployed??

Hi Dave- it is in final beta testing. You shoudl see it very soon (really).

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Originally posted by Ted O'Neill:
Hi Dave- it is in final beta testing. You shoudl see it very soon (really).

Thank you Ted! Aiways a pleasure hearing from you!

An update- we have now scheduled 1.2.16 for release to all eve servers this coming Monday and Tuesday night. Thus, by Wednesday morning, it should be deployed everywhere. Eve customers will receive an email providing this info soon.

A question on the new ability in 1.2.16. Is it possible to de-activate the "ignore members" part of the new version? We have seen that used on other sites, and it can tend to be divisive to the membership. Is it possible for admins to deactivate this new feature?

Same question here - I don't want to allow the ignore function.

There is no deactivations switch currently.

Explain to me how it is divisive, however. You (the user) control your own ignore lists and if someone does ignore someone else, the ignored user will not see that his/her posts are being ignored by a particular user. It seems to me it just gives users control over what they want to read.

I don't want them allow users to ignore me or any other moderators for sure.

They already can... by not reading what you are writing. Unfortunately, even community admins are not gods.

With the ignore feature, we still display a posting line, by the way, so you can see that something is there.. we just hide the text of the post (which can be expanded/viewed at any time).

I understand your concerns, but I really think the ignore feature is nothing more than a way for each community member to filter the noise from people they find annoying/irritating.

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They already can... by not reading what you are writing.

So what sort of improvement is that, then? At least allow admins to disable the ignore option.

Hi arnie-

I think I explained why the feature is not harming anyone (including admins). Please provide me with real examples of why/how admins are harmed by this feature. Before we consider adding yet another control panel switch, I want to understand the issue from your perspective. Thanks!

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Originally posted by arnie2:

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They already can... by not reading what you are writing.

So what sort of improvement is that, then? At least allow admins to disable the ignore option.

I will vote with Ernie2!!

If you want me too explain why that feature to shut it off should be there I would be happy to tell you. But you will not like it!

I thing I am on your ignore list already!!??

How is it divisive, Lindell?

There's not a sign that pops up saying "you're being ignored by 3 people, click here to see who is ignoring you."

There's no reason for it to be divisive. It also doesn't do anything that your users don't already do.

Consider that average user's habits when reading forums, users that have been around a while. Users that know the community well enough to decide who to ignore.

As they read the forums they think "he always asks way toooo much for his stuff" and skip past or "I'll skip her posts because SHE ALWAYS TYPES IN CAPS."

All the ignore feature does is automate that for you. Makes it easier to skip the parts you don't care to see and spend more time with what you do care to see.

Divisive?

Unless you're planning to print your ignore list for all to see, Lindell, how is it divisive to automate what most users automatically do on their own.

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Please provide me with real examples of why/how admins are harmed by this feature.

Nowhere have I suggested that admins would be harmed by such a feature. My concern is for the community.

As Lindell has said, it is potentially divisive. It could quite easily lead to the forming of factions and ill-feeling between members. On a less worrisome level, a member can easily make an essentially duplicate post to that of a member on his ignored list, which could lead to confusion all round.

I do not think such a feature should be included, but, if it is, we as admins should have the option not to use it. I appreciate that you are ready to roll out this new version, but don't like the idea of it being included without an 'off' switch.

I expressed my opinions about an Ignore feature a while back. Just wanted to jump in and thank Groupee for adding it. Thanks!

Hold the phone ---


I just discovered that posters can ignore the MODS. This isn't cool. Sometimes I need to send PMs to cranky members. If they're ignoring me, I can't do that. Some mod posts need to be seen.

Is this something that y'all can consider fiddling with? Adding a permission to mod status that makes them un-ignorable?

aitapata,

A user can always choose to ignore an admin or mod, but you certainly have the upper hand by being able to email them, or have all their posts moderated.

Also just for a little clarification. The ignore list has been a feature in eve for a very very long time. Previous to 1.2.16 the user's ignore list applied solely to PMs, including PMs from mods/admins. The new feature added in 1.2.16 was that the hiding of posts was integrated with the ignore list that already existed.

-Barry

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Originally posted by Barry Kaplan:
Also just for a little clarification. The ignore list has been a feature in eve for a very very long time. Previous to 1.2.16 the user's ignore list applied solely to PMs, including PMs from mods/admins. The new feature added in 1.2.16 was that the hiding of posts was integrated with the ignore list that already existed.

-Barry

Barry,

While that may be true, it's new to me. I have always had PMs turned off on my forum. And if I not mistaken, I think Lindell posted that she did as well. So for anyone like myself, this is brand new and brand new to our communities. Without any prompting from me, members in my community have echoed by anti-community sentiment.

By the way, I notice that the "hide post" link appears smaller on Groupee's board then mine and displayed a bit differently. On my site, the rule under the post date/time goes back to a vertical line to the left of "hide post". Why is that? And can I do something to make the font for "hide post" smaller and change the appearance link to that on Groupee's board? Perhaps this would help if nothing else can be done. I can put in a ticket, if I need to. Please LMK. Thanks.

The display settings for your forum should be controlling the Hide Post. Here on the eve support community we have css that we use to change the styles of things as well.

Saying that "users have always been able to 'ignore' a post by choosing not to read it" is a totally different case than "now that I have put mods on 'ignore' I never see their posts". And here's why...

In the first case a user has explicitly chosen not to read a pm (for example). When a mod sends an important PM and it sits unread, the mod sees that, and can decide what action to take, because of the users choice to not acknowledge it. For example, decide, 'Ignoring me isn't going to get you off so easy', I will suspend you and give you a chance to reply by email. Thereby forcing the user to deal with the issue, not just 'ignore' it.

If the user has the mod on ignore, they can reasonably claim, "I didn't see it". Before there was a clear PM in their box they explicitly chose to ignore. Now they have implicitly 'ignored' the PM without their knowledge or the mods. They may have put some mod on ignore in the past and then forgotten they did so.

As any programmer knows EXPLICIT and IMPLICIT are two different cases.

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